Editing Talk:Timeline (section)

== Comments ==
Very nice and thorough deep dive! A few clarifications/corrections:

I don't think Yog being a barbarian in H1 means Birth of a Barbarian must be before H1. For one thing, there is no wizard class in H1, plus the concept of a hero class itself is a bit more of a gameplay thing. Most importantly, we know that Yog's father is a barbarian chieftain and that Yog is a foreigner in Krewlod. So there is a good chance of his father being an Enrothian barbarian, with Yog being with him during that time (either before he began studying in Bracada, or taking a break from that).

Even if he wasn't in Enroth due to his father, Yog is still a barbarian by blood, being son of a chieftain. It does make sense that he is represented as a barbarian in-game even before Birth of a Barbarian, especially given the absense of the wizard class in H1.

There is little to no real conflict there with Adrienne. First of all, she certainly doesn't fight Haart from 1167 to 1171. [[Playing with Fire]] starts in 1170 at the earliest. Plenty of time for Tarnum and Adrienne to hook up even before that campaign, and some time after as well. Kendal's diary does muck up things a little bit, but it generally doesn't mesh all that well with Clash of the Dragons. Still, even if we take those diary entries that mention her as canon, a diplomat as canon, she could have visited both Erathia and AvLee around 1172-73.

Frankly, Elixir being around 1156-57 doesn't make sense. That way Gelu would be far too young during the campaign. He was a baby, "essentially born into the Erathian military", in 1150. So he could have been born no earlier than 1146, and even that is stretching it. Elixir does mention him being the youngest member of the Forest Guard, but he obviously isn't 9-10 years old.

I've talked about Shalongrarg (as well as Gelu's age) in [[Talk:Underworld]]. Summing up, there is more than enough reason to think that Shalongarg and Jared are from after the Night of Shooting Stars (which is 1162).

Also, the aforementioned Gelu's age thing points to [[New Beginning]] being essentially the longest campaign. The main time skip happens during or after [[Clearing the Border]].
The Succession Wars ended in the first half of 1154. Gem could have arrived in Antagarich no more than about 1 year and 8 months after that. So Clearing the Border starts in 1155-56. The New Beginning campaign ends not long before Unholy Alliance. Given the estimated Gelu's age, that means that New Beginning took place from 1155/56 to around 1161/63.
This means that Clearing the Border either took several years for Gem to complete (not unreasonable, since she commanded a fringe militia in a border conflict) and/or there were several years between it and [[After the Amulet]]. We should also factor in than other scenarios also took time to happen, and there could be some considerable time skips between them.
* In [[Driving for the Boots]], Gem mentions that it is her 61st year as a Sorceress and that she encountered the Black Grip 5 years ago. Are either of these events referenced in Homm2? --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:20, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
** No, they're not. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 23:04, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

All in all, New Beginning apparently does take place over a period of about 6-7 years. One can also assume that [[Target]] takes place aorund 1160-61, with Gelu being around 14, but I do feel like that's stretching it a little bit, plus there's no real reason for it to be that way unless we specifically want to assume that Jared/Shalongrarg are separate from the Kreegan Eeofol. I do personally see its own interesting implications in there, though.

I'll comment on the HotA campaigns sometime in the nearest future. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 02:38, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Like I mentioned a while back, the Night of Shooting Stars takes place in 1162. [[Talk:Night of Shooting Stars]] Kreegan Reference says "approximately" three years, so it isn't the exact number from the get go. There is some rather small room for interpreting it as the end of 1161, but that falls more into the realm of fanon.

Side note: HotA puts it in 1162 even more firmly than NWC does, since it features a newly captured [[Xarfax]], and that happened in 1162.

As for Archibald, he is rounding up, simple as that. People tend to round up years like that. So I wouldn't even call it caonflicting info. Yes, Archibald was a statue not for 10, but for 11 years, but it's still around a decade. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 04:20, 11 August 2025 (UTC)