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== Proposals ==

Hi! Don't mean to rush you, but I've got [[Proposals#By_XEL|some small proposals]] for a couple pages. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 19:15, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
* Ah - didn't realize you were waiting for me on those! Yeah, I'll move Tidewater to the erathia list. For adding Harmondale to Contested Lands, I had gotten some pushback on that in the past ([[Talk:Contested Lands#Harmondale]]), so it is probably worth bringing it up on Discord before re-adding it. --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 19:24, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
** I'll bring it up with Fire Paladin. Perhaps he meant that Harmondale politically isn't part of the nation that the protagonists of Seeds of Discontent establish.  While this is true, Harmondale is geographically a town in the Welnin region ([[Cloverfield]]-[[Mosswood]]-[[Forestdale]]) of the Contested Lands. MM7 is clear on that. It is shown on the MM7 printed map and town portal map as being in the part of the continent. The game also mentions that Harmondale is within Erathian borders and near Tularea. Castle Harmondale was built as a first line of defense during the Timber Wars, and the town is described as having been the site of human/elf conflict for centuries. MM7 also mentions that to the east of Harmondale is the center of the disputed region. Further, MM7 says "the contested lands of Harmondale and surrounds", further linking the two. Also, the region around Harmondale is called Welnin in MM7. Even Harmondale's name rhymes with Forestdale. Of course, it's also clear from MM7 that Harmondale isn't part of the independent nation from Seeds, since it belongs to Erathia at the start of MM7. In fact, the independent nation was unable to de-facto control the whole Welnin region, since AvLee and Erathia still contest those lands in MM7, with big parts of the area belonging to Erathia by AB. It's even probable that the independent nation collapsed by the time of MM7, but that's open for interpretation. So, if we use the Contested Lands table as the geographic region from Seeds, Harmondale is definitely there. And even politically, not all the areas listed in the table are de-facto part of the independent nation in the end. But like I said, the Unaffiliated table may also suit Harmondale, given how its political status in MM7 explicitly depends on the player. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 06:40, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Fire Paladin has confirmed to me that he indeed meant that Harmondale isn't part of the independent CL politically, and also said that, as he remembers, an older version if the page talked about Harmondale as if it's the capital of the CL or generally synonymous with it. Overall, I think it's safe to move Harmondale into the CL table as a town, since it's there geographically, with the actual articles going into the political details. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 15:59, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
* Sounds good to me! --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 19:56, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
In the end, keeping it in Unaffiliated does indeed better reflects Harmondale's ambiguous political status, since it can canonically be AvLeean, Erathian or the capital of an independent nation, all being quite likely. --[[User:XEL|XEL]] ([[User talk:XEL|talk]]) 13:22, 12 August 2025 (UTC)