Editing Talk:AI/Fight Value

Does anyone know what this does? The other "hidden" characteristic is Fight Value. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska|talk]]) 10:08, 3 December 2015 (CET)

:I'm not sure, but my guess (mostly from the name) is that it affects how the creature will behave when you fight it in wandering stacks.  I have noticed that higher level creatures tend to wait on the first turn, for example, or move to just outside a ranged creature's range (while lower level creatures do not), although I've never tested combat behaviour rigorously (I can't really imagine how one might, to be honest). [[User:Ibraesil|Ibraesil]] ([[User talk:Ibraesil|talk]]) 14:33, 3 December 2015 (CET)

::It seems to me no one is entirely sure. I remember that I have tested AI and Fight values by changing them to CRTRAITS.TXT, but it did not seem to affect combat. The only real thing it changes is the experience [[Altar of Sacrifice]] gives the hero when creatures are sacrificed. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska|talk]]) 16:02, 3 December 2015 (CET)

::Oh, and [http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=40114] and [http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=41201] have some info about it. –[[User:Kapteeni Ruoska|Kapteeni Ruoska]] ([[User talk:Kapteeni Ruoska|talk]]) 16:03, 3 December 2015 (CET)

:::There does seem to be some degree of consensus in those threads you linked that AI Value is used to determine the sizes of wandering stacks, based what they're guarding. Also, it might affect how the computer players cast spells. Also also, it seems as though Fight Value might be used to work out which creature to destroy when a hero goes through a whirlpool. [[User:Ibraesil|Ibraesil]] ([[User talk:Ibraesil|talk]]) 01:19, 4 December 2015 (CET)

== How to see AI value? ==

There is a necessity to see AI value in hidden files in order to find AI value and Fight value for new Factory units.
:See [http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=40114]. –[[user_talk:imahero|imahero]] 18:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

== I cannot understand why... ==

* Gold Dragon > Titan & Ancient Behemoth
* Phoenix > Ancient Behemoth
* Giant & Bone Dragon > Behemoth
* Manticore > Cyclops King (in fact basic Cyclops is more efficient)
* Monk and Dendroid Guard are so low, behind Basilisk and Pegasus
* Royal Griffin & Cerberus > Evil Eye
* Obsidian Gargoyle > Orc & Marksman
* Infernal Troglodyte & Pikeman > Master Gremlin

I admit in most cases it's harder to fight against wandering monsters on the left (therefore, this list is based on wandering monsters' potential), but why then are ranged Monks or Orcs so low? Unless having Archangels, advanced/expert Resurrection, Animate Dead, expert Forgetfulness or someone extremely resilient, you are almost confined to have casualities against ranged monsters, unlike Pegasi, Griffins, or Gargoyles who are really fast but can be just slowed down.--[[User:Dread Knight|Dread Knight]] ([[User talk:Dread Knight|talk]]) 07:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)