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| Although in the original {{roe}} there was an [[adventure map]] location called [[market of time]], which supposedly was intended to allow hero to "forget" secondary skills. | | Although in the original {{roe}} there was an [[adventure map]] location called [[market of time]], which supposedly was intended to allow hero to "forget" secondary skills. |
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| == Bad Hero & No Artifacts == | | == Bad Hero & No Artifacts (TheKnownWorld/MeKick) == |
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| | [[Talk:Secondary_skill/Bad_Hero_No_Artifacts|Bad Hero & No Artifacts]] |
| ! MeKick's ranking
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Navigation.png|22px|link=]] 1: Navigation
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert First Aid.png|22px|link=]] 2: First Aid
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Eagle Eye.png|22px|link=]] 3: Eagle Eye
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Learning.png|22px|link=]] 4: Learning
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Scholar.png|22px|link=]] 5: Scholar
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Estates.png|22px|link=]] 6: Estates
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Mysticism.png|22px|link=]] 7: Mysticism
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Artillery.png|22px|link=]] 8: Artillery
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Scouting.png|22px|link=]] 9: Scouting
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Pathfinding.png|22px|link=]] 10: Pathfinding
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Diplomacy.png|22px|link=]] 11: Diplomacy
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Sorcery.png|22px|link=]] 12: Sorcery
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Resistance.png|22px|link=]] 13: Resistance
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Ballistics.png|22px|link=]] 14: Ballistics
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Archery.png|22px|link=]] 15: Archery
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Luck.png|22px|link=]] 16: Luck
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Leadership.png|22px|link=]] 17: Leadership
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Intelligence.png|22px|link=]] 18: Intelligence
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Water Magic.png|22px|link=]] 19: Water Magic
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Fire Magic.png|22px|link=]] 20: Fire Magic
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Earth Magic.png|22px|link=]] 21: Earth Magic
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Air Magic.png|22px|link=]] 22: Air Magic
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Tactics.png|22px|link=]] 23: Tactics
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Armorer.png|22px|link=]] 24: Armorer
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Offense.png|22px|link=]] 25: Offense
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Wisdom.png|22px|link=]] 26: Wisdom
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Necromancy.png|22px|link=]] 27: Necromancy
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| | height=25px | [[File: Expert Logistics.png|22px|link=]] 28: Logistics
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| The Heroes 3 Streamer/Youtuber MeKick (also known as TheKnownWorld) for his singleplayer challenge of "Bad Hero & No Artifacts" played with the following self-imposed rules for himself:
| | == static numeration == |
| | Is it just me or is the formatting terribly off for the static numeration? - juq |
| | :Probably depends on your skin. Do you know which one you are using? Posting a screenshot would also help us figure it out. [https://snipboard.io snipboard.io] is pretty easy to use. [[user:imahero|ima]] 21:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC) |
| | ::hxxps://i.snipboard.io/H5R8bo.jpg. Because the width of the chart is shortened many of the secondary skills are taking up 2 lines, thus we have this. - juq |
| | :::Mine doesn't seem to have that problem: [https://i.snipboard.io/6Cx4hu.jpg i.snipboard.io/6Cx4hu.jpg] Which internet browser are you using? [[user:imahero|ima]] 00:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC) |
| | ::::How does the page look here: [https://web.archive.org/web/20210323001338/https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Secondary_skill web.archive.org/Secondary_skill]? [[user:imahero|ima]] 00:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC) |
| | :::::I use Yandex Browser, based on Chromium. - Juq |
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| * Equipping artifacts is not allowed.
| | == Skills are divided into 3 types == |
| * Player heroes can not go to map objects that improve their abilities ([[Learning Stone]], [[School of Magic]], [[University]], etc).
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| * Upon every level up, pick the pre-determined "worse" option of the skills offered.
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| * No joining monsters.
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| The settings were as follows:
| | Are they? This seems like an arbitrary choice made by the writer than a feature existing in the game. - Csaros |
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| * Shadow of Death
| | - Not much in the manual, as I have checked. I have added that they can be divided, as the author does. |
| * Random map template 8XM12a, Size XL+U
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| * 8 human/computer player FFA
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| * No water, Stone or Cobblestone Roads, and Strong Monsters
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| * Impossible difficulty
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| * Player starting town/hero/bonus: Fortress/[[Voy]]/Gold
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| * All computer starting towns/heroes/bonuses: random
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| As such, the predetermined list MeKick made for the following situation is on the left.
| | == Secondary skill weights == |
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| The ranking of these skills are up to debate and some of the positions are highly situational. [[Scouting]] and [[Scholar]] are extremely situational; on a main hero they can be considered wasted slots like [[Eagle Eye]] or [[First Aid]] as both are centered around helping other heroes rather than being a bonus for the hero that has them, but on expendable scout or transport secondary heroes they are considered some of the best skills to have. [[Navigation]] and [[Water Magic]] both greatly increase on value with maps with considerable waterways; the School of Water Magic has 3 adventure spells that only work on water. [[Pathfinding]] is a more valuable on maps without roads or with few roads that have adverse terrain, though it can be completely replaced by [[Wayfarer's Boots]] in [[Horn of the Abyss]].
| | Wasn't the table of all hero classes for all skill chances here? Where did it go? |
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| [[First Aid]] is put in 2nd place as MeKick can not use artifacts including war machines; another completely useless skill, while [[Artillery]] is also put lower than it normally would be as the ballista can not be used, but it can still give control over arrow towers in a siege.
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| [[Diplomacy]] is put in 11th, as its main use, attracting monsters to your army, is forbidden by his own rule; and he can't visit a Library of Enlightenment at all. Its only use becomes lowering the surrender cost.
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| The changes [[Horn of the Abyss]] brings further possible changes to the ranking. [[Estates]], [[Mysticism]], [[Scouting]] have all been buffed, while [[Diplomacy]], [[Intelligence]], and [[Earth Magic]] have been weakened.
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| Is it just me or is the formatting terribly off for the static numeration? - juq
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Although in the original Restoration of Erathia there was an adventure map location called market of time, which supposedly was intended to allow hero to "forget" secondary skills.
Bad Hero & No Artifacts (TheKnownWorld/MeKick)[edit | hide]
Bad Hero & No Artifacts
static numeration[edit | hide]
Is it just me or is the formatting terribly off for the static numeration? - juq
- Probably depends on your skin. Do you know which one you are using? Posting a screenshot would also help us figure it out. snipboard.io is pretty easy to use. ima 21:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- hxxps://i.snipboard.io/H5R8bo.jpg. Because the width of the chart is shortened many of the secondary skills are taking up 2 lines, thus we have this. - juq
- Mine doesn't seem to have that problem: i.snipboard.io/6Cx4hu.jpg Which internet browser are you using? ima 00:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- How does the page look here: web.archive.org/Secondary_skill? ima 00:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- I use Yandex Browser, based on Chromium. - Juq
Skills are divided into 3 types[edit | hide]
Are they? This seems like an arbitrary choice made by the writer than a feature existing in the game. - Csaros
- Not much in the manual, as I have checked. I have added that they can be divided, as the author does.
Secondary skill weights[edit | hide]
Wasn't the table of all hero classes for all skill chances here? Where did it go?
