Editing Talk:Firebird and Phoenix (section)

== Rebirth - discussion ==

Based on the tribute to strategists, Fizmig and analysis of the SoD assembly code, we come to the conclusion that the original description of the ability is false. In case User:81.198.24.71 wants to comment on the statement "If you destroy a stack of say 3 phoenixes, there is a chance that 2 or 3 may Rebirth, not only one!", I'll gladly hear evidence for it. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])

* Here is how the math works out for a few phoenix stack sizes (formatting is bad, I know :) ) (I also rounded to the nearest 1/10 of a %...so the percentages don't add up to eaxactly 100%) --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:17, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Initial !! Rebirth !! Avg.<br>Expected
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| 5 {{Cn|Phoenix}}
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{| class="wikitable"
| 100% || 1
|}
| 1
|-
| 6 {{Cn|Phoenix}}
|
{| class="wikitable"
| 80% || 1
|-
| 20% || 2
|}
| 1.2
|-
| 7 {{Cn|Phoenix}}
|
{| class="wikitable"
| 64% || 1
|-
| 32% || 2
|-
| 4% || 3
|}
| 1.4
|-
| 8 {{Cn|Phoenix}}
|
{| class="wikitable"
| 51.2% || 1
|-
| 38.4% || 2
|-
| 9.6% || 3
|-
| 0.8% || 4
|}
| 1.6
|-
| 9 {{Cn|Phoenix}}
|
{| class="wikitable"
| 41% || 1
|-
| 41% || 2
|-
| 15.4% || 3
|-
| 2.6% || 4
|-
| 0.2% || 5
|}
| 1.8
|-
| 10 {{Cn|Phoenix}}
|
{| class="wikitable"
| 100% || 2
|}
| 2
|}

* Just for fun, here is the table for 5 phoenixes split into multiple stacks of 1 phoenix each.
** The expected amount of phoenixes reborn is nearly identical (1 vs. 0.9985).
** Overall, if you split the phoenixes, there is a 32.8% chance that you would rebirth less than if they were stacked, a 41% chance that you get the same amount, and a 26.2% chance you get more phoenixes.
** Splitting the phoenixes does provide one notable advantage in relation to this ability. Since an entire stack needs to be killed for any phoenix to have a chance at rebirth, having all the phoenixes in one stack requires all 5 phoenixes to be killed for rebirth to trigger, whereas when they are split up, rebirth can trigger after each death.
{| class="wikitable"
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! Initial !! Single Stack<br>Rebirth !! Multi Stack<br>Rebirth
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| 5 {{Cn|Phoenix}}
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{| class="wikitable"
| 100% || 1
|}
|
{| class="wikitable"
|-
| 32.8% || 0
|-
| 41% || 1
|-
| 20.5% || 2
|-
| 5.1% || 3
|-
| 0.6% || 4
|-
| 0.03% || 5
|}
|}