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Random bits for fun.
Random bits for fun.
[[User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots]]
[[User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots]]
 
== Pathfinding vs. Logistics ==
Campaign icons
{| cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border: 1px solid black; text-align: center; margin:0 0 10px 7px; background:#{{Tan 3}}; float:right;"
 
|+ style="text-align:center;" | {{swh}} '''Maximum tiles moved depending on tile cost''' {{swh}}
Those are the splash screens corresponding to the thumbnails used for the campaigns on the campaign wall.
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 2}};"
 
! Movement points !! [[File:Road3 (cobblestone) 32x32.gif]] 50 !! [[File:Road2 (gravel) 32x32.gif]] 65 !! [[File:Road1 (dirt) 32x32.gif]] 75 !! [[File:Dirt (s).gif]][[File:Grass (s).gif]][[File:Lava (s).gif]][[File:Subterranean (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:Highlands (s).gif]]}} 100 !! [[File:Rough (s).gif]]{{showwithhota|[[File:wasteland (s).gif]]}} 125 !! [[File:Sand (s).gif]] 150 !! [[File:Swamp (s).gif]] 175
For Heroes Chronicles, which has no campaign wall, I used the Hc#PrBk images from lbitmap.lod as a reference to find which thumbnail did NWC re-use for each campaign. Problem: this doesn't cover the freebies, and both of the "final chapters" have the same image. So for TWT and TFM, I went with the thumbnail used for the first mission of the respective campaign. It'd probably be better to snap pictures from the videos, but they're so grainy and pixelated...
 
<gallery mode="packed">
File:Cslreg1c.png|[[Long Live the Queen]]
File:Cslree3c.png|[[Dungeons and Devils]]
File:Cslren2a.png|[[Spoils of War]]
File:Cslreg4c.png|[[Liberation]]
File:Cslree5b.png|[[Long Live the King]]
File:Cslreg6a.png|[[Song for the Father]]
File:Cslres7b.png|[[Seeds of Discontent]]
File:Cslabab7.png|[[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)|Armageddon's Blade]]
File:Cslabdb2.png|[[Dragon's Blood]]
File:Cslabds1.png|[[Dragon Slayer]]
File:Cslabfl3.png|[[Festival of Life]]
File:Cslabpf2.png|[[Playing with Fire]]
File:Cslabfw1.png|[[Foolhardy Waywardness]]
File:Csl2nbb.png|[[New Beginning]]
File:Csl2ela.png|[[Elixir of Life (campaign)|Elixir of Life]]
File:Csl2hsa.png|[[Hack and Slash]]
File:Csl2bbe.png|[[Birth of a Barbarian]]
File:Csl2rnb.png|[[Rise of the Necromancer]]
File:Csl2ual.png|[[Unholy Alliance]]
File:Csl2spc.png|[[Specter of Power]]
File:Cslujr1.png|[[Under the Jolly Roger]]
File:Cslts1.png|[[Terror of the Seas]]
File:Cslha1.png|[[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)|Horn of the Abyss]]
File:Cslfa1.png|[[Forged in Fire]]
File:Csl2nba.png|[[Warlords of the Wasteland]]
File:Csl2uak.png|[[Conquest of the Underworld]]
File:Csl2bba.png|[[Masters of the Elements]]
File:Csl2uag.png|[[Clash of the Dragons]]
File:Cslabab1.png|[[The World Tree]]
File:Csl2elb.png|[[The Fiery Moon]]
File:Cslabfl2.png|[[Revolt of the Beastmasters]]
File:Cslabfl2.png|[[The Sword of Frost]]
</gallery>
 
WIP timeline rework. Not the best layout. Would probably be best to have a few columns in which specific missions can be put, since campaigns can span a long extent (especially visible with Forged in Fire).
{|
|Distant past||[[File:Csl2nba.png|100px]]||[[Warlords of the Wasteland]]||->||[[File:Csl2uak.png|100px]]||[[Conquest of the Underworld]]
|-
|-
|10 000 years after world creation||[[File:Csl2bba.png|100px]]||[[Masters of the Elements]]
! 1500
| 30 || 23 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|17|15}}  || 15
|-
|-
|At some point||[[File:Cslabab1.png|100px]]||[[The World Tree]]||->||[[File:Csl2elb.png|100px]]||[[The Fiery Moon]]
! 1560
| 31 || 24 || 20 || 15 || 12 || 10 || 8
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|37|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|27}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}} || {{swh|noicon=|10|11}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 31 || 24 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || {{swh|noicon=|18|15}}  || 15
|-
|-
|Who knows when||[[File:Cslabfl2.png|100px]]||[[Revolt of the Beastmasters]]
! 1630
| 32 || 25 || 21 || 16 || 13 || 10 || 9
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|39|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|26|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|21}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 32 || 25 || 21 || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || {{swh|noicon=|19|16}}  || 16
|-
|-
|1160 AS||[[File:Csl2nbb.png|100px]]||[[New Beginning]]||+||[[File:Csl2ela.png|100px]]||[[Elixir of Life (campaign)|Elixir of Life]]||+||[[File:Csl2hsa.png|100px]]||[[Hack and Slash]]||+||[[File:Csl2bbe.png|100px]]||[[Birth of a Barbarian]]
! 1700
| 34 || 26 || 22 || 17 || 13 || 11 || 9
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|40|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|29}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}} || {{swh|noicon=|11|12}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 34 || 26 || 22 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
|-
|-
|1161 AS||[[File:Csl2rnb.png|100px]]||[[Rise of the Necromancer]]
! 1760
| 35 || 27 || 23 || 17 || 14 || 11 || 10
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|42|45}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|35}} || {{swh|noicon=|28|30}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 35 || 27 || 23 || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || {{swh|noicon=|20|17}}  || 17
|-
|-
|1162 AS||[[File:Csl2ual.png|100px]]||[[Unholy Alliance]]||+||[[File:Cslfa1.png|100px]]||[[Forged in Fire]]
! 1830
| 36 || 28 || 24 || 18 || 14 || 12 || 10
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|43|47}} || {{swh|noicon=|33|36}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|31}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|23}} || {{swh|noicon=|17|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|14|15}} || {{swh|noicon=|12|13}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 36 || 28 || 24 || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}} || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || {{swh|noicon=|21|18}}  || 18
|-
|-
|1164 AS||[[File:Csl2spc.png|100px]]||[[Specter of Power]]
! 1900
| 38 || 29 || 25 || 19 || 15 || 12 || 10
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|45|49}} || {{swh|noicon=|35|38}} || {{swh|noicon=|30|32}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|24}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 38 || 29 || 25 || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|22|19}}  || 19
|-
|-
|1165 AS||[[File:Cslabfw1.png|100px]]||[[Foolhardy Waywardness]]||->||[[File:Cslreg1c.png|100px]]||[[Long Live the Queen]]||+||[[File:Cslree3c.png|100px]]||[[Dungeons and Devils]]||+||[[File:Cslren2a.png|100px]]||[[Spoils of War]]
! 1960
| 39 || 30 || 26 || 19 || 15 || 13 || 11
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|47|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|39}} || {{swh|noicon=|31|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|25}} || {{swh|noicon=|18|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|15|16}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 39 || 30 || 26 || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|19}}  || 19
|-
|-
|1166 AS||[[File:Cslreg4c.png|100px]]||[[Liberation]]||+||[[File:Cslree5b.png|100px]]||[[Long Live the King]]||->||[[File:Cslreg6a.png|100px]]||[[Song for the Father]]
! 2000
| 40 || 30 || 26 || 20 || 16 || 13 || 11
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|48|52}} || {{swh|noicon=|36|40}} || {{swh|noicon=|32|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|24|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|17}} || {{swh|noicon=|13|14}}
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || 30 || 23 || 20 || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || {{swh|noicon=|23|20}}  || 20
|-
|-
|1167 AS||[[File:Cslres7b.png|100px]]||[[Seeds of Discontent]]
! 2000+[[File:Boots of Speed am-artif.gif]][[File:Equestrian's Gloves am-artif.gif]][[File:Castle Stables.gif|32px]]
|-
| {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|26}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|22}} || {{swh|noicon=|16|18}}
|1171 AS||[[File:Cslabab7.png|100px]]||[[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)|Armageddon's Blade]]||+||[[File:Cslabdb2.png|100px]]||[[Dragon's Blood]]||+||[[File:Cslabds1.png|100px]]||[[Dragon Slayer]]||+||[[File:Cslabfl3.png|100px]]||[[Festival of Life]]||+||[[File:Cslabpf2.png|100px]]||[[Playing with Fire]]
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Logistics small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|69|85}} || {{swh|noicon=|53|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|46|57}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|42}} || {{swh|noicon=|27|34}} || {{swh|noicon=|23|28}} || {{swh|noicon=|19|24}}
|1172 AS||[[File:Cslujr1.png|100px]]||[[Under the Jolly Roger]]||->||[[File:Cslts1.png|100px]]||[[Terror of the Seas]]||->||[[File:Cslha1.png|100px]]||[[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)|Horn of the Abyss]]
|- style="background-color:#{{Tan 4}};"
|-
| [[File:Expert Pathfinding small.png]] || {{swh|noicon=|58|66}} || {{swh|noicon=|44|50}} || {{swh|noicon=|38|44}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}} || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|34|33}}  || {{swh|noicon=|29|33}}
|1175 AS||[[File:Csl2uag.png|100px]]||[[Clash of the Dragons]]
|-
|1176 AS||[[File:Cslabfl2.png|100px]]||[[The Sword of Frost]]
|}
|}
This table shows how many tiles in a straight line (not diagonal) a hero can move, depending on how much movement points it starts with and the cost of movement. For each amount, the movement is shown for basic move (without any movement skill), with Expert-level Logistics (which increases by the hero's movement points by {{swh|20%|30%}}), or Expert-level Pathfinding (which reduces the movement cost down by 75 points down to a minimum of 85).
* Pathfinding is useless on roads. Obviously, it will not find better paths than the roads.
* Logistics is {{swh|slightly|noicon=}} better on easy terrains{{swh||, slightly better on rough terrain,|noicon=}}, and especially good on roads.
* Pathfinding is{{swh| slightly better on rough and wasteland terrains, and|noicon)}} better on sand and swamp.

Revision as of 18:04, 8 February 2025

Random bits for fun. User:Turnam/Pre-release screenshots

Pathfinding vs. Logistics

 Horn of the Abyss Shadow of Death Maximum tiles moved depending on tile cost  Horn of the Abyss Shadow of Death
Movement points 50 65 75 100 125 150 175
1500 30 23 20 15 12 10 8
3639 2730 2426 1819 1415 1213 1011
30 23 20 1715 1715 1715 15
1560 31 24 20 15 12 10 8
3740 2831 2427 1820 1416 1213 1011
31 24 20 1815 1815 1815 15
1630 32 25 21 16 13 10 9
3942 3032 2628 1921 1516 1314 1112
32 25 21 1916 1916 1916 16
1700 34 26 22 17 13 11 9
4044 3134 2729 2022 1617 1314 1112
34 26 22 2017 2017 2017 17
1760 35 27 23 17 14 11 10
4245 3235 2830 2122 1618 1415 1213
35 27 23 2017 2017 2017 17
1830 36 28 24 18 14 12 10
4347 3336 2931 2123 1719 1415 1213
36 28 24 2118 2118 2118 18
1900 38 29 25 19 15 12 10
4549 3538 3032 2224 1819 1516 1314
38 29 25 2219 2219 2219 19
1960 39 30 26 19 15 13 11
4750 3639 3133 2325 1820 1516 1314
39 30 26 2319 2319 2319 19
2000 40 30 26 20 16 13 11
4852 3640 3234 2426 1920 1617 1314
30 23 20 2320 2320 2320 20
2000+ 5866 4450 3844 2933 2326 1922 1618
6985 5366 4657 3442 2734 2328 1924
5866 4450 3844 3433 3433 3433 2933

This table shows how many tiles in a straight line (not diagonal) a hero can move, depending on how much movement points it starts with and the cost of movement. For each amount, the movement is shown for basic move (without any movement skill), with Expert-level Logistics (which increases by the hero's movement points by 20% Horn of the Abyss30% Shadow of Death), or Expert-level Pathfinding (which reduces the movement cost down by 75 points down to a minimum of 85).

  • Pathfinding is useless on roads. Obviously, it will not find better paths than the roads.
  • Logistics is slightly better on easy terrains, slightly better on rough terrain,, and especially good on roads.
  • Pathfinding is slightly better on rough and wasteland terrains, and Horn of the Abyssnoicon) Shadow of Death better on sand and swamp.
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