Editing Talk:Kastore

== Fact-check and grammar-check needed ==

Is Kastore the ruler of Deyja? What about Finneas Vilmar in the SoD campaign? Doesn't SoD occur after the Factory campaign? - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]])
* We should have some kind of timeline somewhere. My impression is it is HotA -> SoD -> RoE -> AB -> HC, but there might be some overlap between campaigns in an expansion (e.g. [[Warlords of the Wasteland]] is probably way in the beginning). --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 14:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
* Factory campaign directly mentions events from the RoE campaigns. SoD campaign is definitely happening before AB, as Gelu does not have the Armageddon's Blade at his disposal. Some of the HC stories mention Bracadun, which was the kingdom that existed before Bracada was created; they must be therefore happening far in the past, before any other campaigns. - [[User:Csaros|Csaros]] ([[User talk:Csaros|talk]]) 16:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
* I smell a sweet campaign timeline graphic coming on. Lets collect what we know.

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! colspan=5 height=30 style="font-size:120%; color:white; background-color:#{{green 1}};" | Campaign timeline
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! Expansion
! Campaign
! Notes

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| roe
| [[Long Live the Queen]]
| Playability order: Before [[Liberation]]

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| roe
| [[Dungeons and Devils]]
| Playability order: Before [[Liberation]]
Enacting Sandro's plan from [[Specter of Power]].

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| roe
| [[Spoils of War]]
| Playability order: Before [[Liberation]]

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| roe
| [[Liberation]]
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| roe
| [[Long Live the King]]
| Playability order: Concurrent with [[Liberation]]

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| roe
| [[Song for the Father]]
| Playability order: After [[Liberation]]

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| roe
| [[Seeds of Discontent]]
| Playability order: After [[Song for the Father]]

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| ab
| [[Armageddon's Blade]]
| 

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| ab
| [[Dragon's Blood]]
| Happens before [[Clash of Dragons]]

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| ab
| [[Dragon Slayer]]
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| ab
| [[Festival of Life]]
| Happens before [[The Sword of Frost]]

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| ab
| [[Playing with Fire]]
| 

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| ab
| [[Foolhardy Waywardness]]
| Manual description: In a story pre-dating the Restoration Wars (i.e. events of RoE)
Epilogue of the last scenario puts Sir Christian on Queen Catherine's ship just before [[Long Live the Queen]].

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| sod
| [[New Beginning]]
| Happens before [[Rise of the Necromancer]]

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| sod
| [[Elixir of Life]]
| Happens before [[Rise of the Necromancer]]

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| sod
| [[Hack and Slash]]
| Happens before [[Rise of the Necromancer]]

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| sod
| [[Birth of a Barbarian]]
| Happens before [[Rise of the Necromancer]]

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| sod
| [[Rise of the Necromancer]]
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| sod
| [[Unholy Alliance]]
| Happens after [[Rise of the Necromancer]]

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| sod
| [[Specter of Power]]
| Happens after [[Unholy Alliance]]

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| hc
| [[Warlords of the Wasteland]]
| First Tarnum campaign

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| hc
| [[Conquest of the Underworld]]
| Second Tarnum campaign (deals with his niece, Allison)

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| hc
| [[Masters of the Elements]]
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| hc
| [[Clash of the Dragons]]
| Happens after [[Dragon's Blood]]

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| hc
| [[The World Tree]]
| Happens before [[The Fiery Moon]]

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| hc
| [[The Fiery Moon]]
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| hc
| [[Revolt of the Beastmasters]]
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| hc
| [[The Sword of Frost]]
| Happens after [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]]
Events lead up to the end of Enroth/lead into Heroes IV

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| hota
| [[Under the Jolly Roger]]
| Happens before [[Terror of the Seas]]

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| hota
| [[Terror of the Seas]]
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| hota
| [[Horn of the Abyss]]
| Happens after [[Terror of the Seas]]

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| hota
| [[Forged in Fire]]
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[[Heroes Chronicles]] are spread far and wide across the timeline, since after all the concept is that Tarnum is reincarnated to go deal with issues when they arise. Though the first, the one with Bracaduun, is from his mortal life, before all that. If you want to make a rough timeline, then it'd look like this:

Ancient history:
* [[Warlords of the Wasteland]] -- necessarily the very first in Tarnum's story
* [[Conquest of the Underworld]] -- the Underworld Kreegans are basically exterminated and they're not really seen anymore until the Night of Shooting Stars
* [[Master of the Elements]] -- the Elemental Conflux had the time to be completely forgotten about, so it's old
* [[The World Tree]]/[[The Fiery Moon]] -- not really sure when this happened, but these two are back-to-back
* [[Revolt of the Beastmasters]] -- it has to be relatively old because there's really not enough time between ROE and the Reckoning for a "[[Mad King Gryphonheart]]" to appear. So it's gotta be ancient history.
** Also the last scenario is called [[The First Tatalian War]] implying it is the birth of the country of [[Tatalia]].
** It's not just implied, it's outright stated in the messages from [[Naming a Nation]].

"Contemporary" history.
* All campaigns from [[Shadow of Death]], which really works as a prequel to Restoration of Erathia. Note for example how [[Specter of Power]] is basically the set up for [[Long Live the King]] and [[Song for the Father]]. Also see how several of the campaigns are basically the backstory of a few generic heroes ([[Gem]] in [[New Beginning]], [[Crag Hack]] in [[Hack and Slash]], [[Yog]] in [[Birth of a Barbarian]], and of course [[Sandro]] in, well, most of them). [[Gelu]]'s appearance in [[Elixir of Life]] is also necessarily from before [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)|Armageddon's Blade]], since it starts by being about his graduation in the Forest Guards...
* [[Forged in Fire]] from HotA starts basically shortly before [[Long Live the Queen]] since its first map is about the Kreegan invasion. The adventures in Jadame last for all the duration of ROE and AB, since [[Homecoming (HotA)]] is about synchronous with [[Oblivion's Edge]].
** Based on the event text in [[Dead or Alive]], it is synchronous with the first half of the RoE campaigns.
* [[Foolhardy Waywardness]] is [[Christian]]'s backstory and a prequel to [[Long Live the Queen]].
* All campaigns from [[Restoration of Erathia]]
* All campaigns from [[Armageddon's Blade]] (except [[Foolhardy Waywardness]])
* [[Clash of the Dragons]] from HC happens necessarily after [[Dragon's Blood]]
* [[The Sword of Frost]] is necessarily the last official campaign to take place on the world of Enroth, since it just gets destroyed afterwards...
** Specifically it must be after [[Armageddon's Blade (campaign)]] and [[Festival of Life]]

The Bidley & Jeremy saga from HotA ([[Under the Jolly Roger]], [[Terror of the Seas]], [[Horn of the Abyss (campaign)|Horn of the Abyss]] must be from slightly before [[Forged in Fire]], because they have at least one character in common: [[Dargem]], who appears in [[In Search of the Horn]], [[Treachery]], [[All Hands on Board!]], and [[Dead or Alive]].

Kastore took over [[Deyja]] in Might & Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer, a game in the mainline M&M series that sort of works as a sequel to Armageddon's Blade. (They kinda spread the story over both the mainline and the Heroes series: M&M6 -> Heroes 3 -> M&M 7 -> Armageddon's Blade -> M&M 8.)

One thing to keep in mind about the timeline, though, is that NWC didn't really care about it all that much. This is how we get two Kastores, because in the mainline games he came from Terra but he was in Heroes before that, so heck, they are just two different elves with the same name, the same class and the same face, just a coincidence... Heroes 3 took place on a brand new continent just so as to not have to deal too much with Heroes 1 and 2's continuity. And they got rid of Enroth and replaced it with Axeoth for basically the same reason.

== Another source ==
Found this on the [[Dracon]] page. [https://www.celestialheavens.com/homam-iv/jennifer-bullard-lost-manuscript-files?showall{{=}}&start{{=}}3 Jennifer Bullard - Lost manuscript files 

**[[Dracon]] kills [[Mutare]], but dies in the process. This makes [[Dragon Slayer]] somewhat concurrent with [[Clash of Dragons]].

== Progess ==
* I uploaded a very rough timeline in excel to discord. Jump on there and give feedback! --[[User:Legate|Legate]] ([[User talk:Legate|talk]]) 00:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)